MY Opinion on 8 man FFA's

[BMAN]

********I think we should stay at 5-6 man games for FFA********

I personally feel 7-8 man FFA on any maps are just to over crowded.
If any map for 8 people i would pick The Pit but even then it isn't that great at all. And every other map in the game it is just even worse. Of course the kids that camp in corner or near purples would love to have 8 people because more people would just come up the lifts and they could get beat downs and assassination. I mean they played the game smart but to me aiming and strafing are two of the most important skills in FFA. Granted the tourney would go by quicker but I think most people would rather spend the extra time for the more skillful playing field. I am not speaking for all of the players attending but a majority are MLG players who think that camping and unfair spawns aren't skillful at all. But that is what would happen in a 8 man FFA on any map.

*On Cold Storage there is 6 major spawning areas on the map. (Below Rockets, Main Room, Spiral, Mauler Room, and Flood Room) with 8 people it will be camping and all about spawns.

*On Guardian there is 3 major spawn areas. (Bottom Blue, Bottom Gold, Bottom Green) So even 6 is cutting it close but the way the map runs it gets people to sniper tower or gold opening up room for the other spawn points to be safe.

*On Construct there is 5 major spawn areas. (The Bottom, Mid-Gold, Sword, and Gold side of open and closed street). But the top gold spawns aren't normal open considering all the people coming up gold lift. Bottom is always open but they just come up the purples and killed naded or beat down. Sword is the best place to spawn and you also most likely are right behind someone. But with the extra people the map will be so crazy, random, and not as skillful.

*On The Pit there is 6 major spawn areas. (Both Shotguns, Both Bases, Both bottom snipes) so the majority of people will camp sword watching bottom snipe like in the StrongSide spawn kill video. Or stay green and wait for people to run out of shotgun or go to that bases first BR for a easy kill. So please with 6 people it leaves people in moments were there is no action every once in a while but without that time looking that means their is not any spawn killing going on and players search around the map looking for kills instead of staying in their one spot and watching spawns.

P.S.- Not saying it would take any skill at all I am just saying the skillfulness will be lost due to the number of major spawn points and randomness of camping and actually getting people to spawn right in front of you.

I hope I speak for the majority of players who were to lazy to type all this up but please keep it at 6 man FFA. And everyone feel willing to post your OPINIONS on the situation.

AND KEEP IT CLEAN!!

And if anyone wants to play MLG only I am always in custom games.
Remember to send me a message saying "CGL" or something

[Guitar Strat]

8 man ffa on guardian would be so hectic.

[nimble]

true that 8 people is definately going to be hectic and tke less skill BMan

[shadowzkiller]

I will paste parts of an extensive post I had made on Bungie.net regarding player count. Here is the actual thread: www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=21093675

Anyways on to my opinion:

have played Rumble Pit playlist in MM several weeks back in Halo 2 (because I prefer FFA over Team personally), and there was so much more carnage and excitement with more players. It took no time to find someone. And one Snipers FFA I played (on Lockout YAY!), I tied with 22 with someone with only 2 minutes remaining, and died while simultaneously he takes the lead with 23. I spawn, walk three seconds and snipe for a double, die, then spawn jump a little and kill someone to end the game. If this would have been the case on even Guardian, I promise you it would have taken more time to find someone (and of course if I die, I just got screwed over). So more players, not necessarily only on smaller maps, will do several things:

~Promote carnage (again). This is simply because more people are available to kill and, in conjunction with a smaller/less complex map, takes less time to find. I personally hate searching for people. This could be why some people, psychologically, feel the gameplay is slower.

~Time limit is not such a problem anymore. In regards to what I have previously stated, people will not be able to camp with the lead of a few kills for the rest of the game. This is applicable not only to LW but to Team Slayer. Also if there is 10 seconds left, and you just respawned, it is not impossible to find someone to kills.

~Camping, again, will be weakened since you have to worry about more players around you. I honestly do not recall seeing that many threads complaining of campers in Halo 2, but that could be just me.

~Multi-kills! I personally love them and it is so much easier (but of course it still is difficult) to achieve them when you have more players available. This to me is an extra bonus in terms of “fun” for gameplay.

~Combat is constant. More players=more to kill, more available to kill. I do not know about you, but I remember how much fun it was when 6v6 playlist existed on Halo 2 and you played on maps like Midship and Lockout and it was STILL enjoyable. I just do not understand how Bungie suggests (on their map description), for maps like Epitaph to only have six players. That map is twice the size of Midship and one and half times the size of Lockout. And that map has DOZENS of side routes and levels (meaning it is quite complex).
~~This is also more enjoyable for others to watch

People may say: This promotes spawn killing. Sorry, but every game has it, it is IMPOSSIBLE to 100% protect from getting spawn killed (excluding those traits you can activate in customs). Halo 3 actually has more spawn points than most games have combined. Many games like CoD 4 (a great game), have only a few spawn points.

Carnage. I do not know about the rest of the community, but I personally love the extra carnage provided by smaller maps. Constant action is what makes Halo, Halo-IMO (of course I am including weapons, grenades, and melee). Even maps like Elongation (a map I considered medium sized) had TONS of action when I played Rumble Pit (with 8 players). Along with carnage, comes multi-kills, my personal favorite aspect of Halo in general. With all these larger and more intricate maps, comes the reduction of being able to pull of multi-kills and being able to attain a kill when time is short.

Halo 3 maps are generally a lot larger than maps in Halo 1 or Halo 2. MLG had EIGHT players on Midship. Put in your Halo 2 disc and look at the size of Midship. It is by far one of the smallest maps.

[BMAN]

midship also has only two lift and you dont even have to go up them because you can run out the front of the base or go up the ramp and the structure it better because the spawns are even unlike construct when you always spawn down low or when you play guardian you spawn bottom green. It isn't about the size it is about the layout and the new spawn system and the places kids go that end up blocking spawns

[playit2thelimit]

Jul 27, 2008 19:57:14 GMT -5 BMAN said:

********I think we should stay at 5-6 man games for FFA********

I personally feel 7-8 man FFA on any maps are just to over crowded.
If any map for 8 people i would pick The Pit but even then it isn't that great at all. And every other map in the game it is just even worse. Of course the kids that camp in corner or near purples would love to have 8 people because more people would just come up the lifts and they could get beat downs and assassination. I mean they played the game smart but to me aiming and strafing are two of the most important skills in FFA. Granted the tourney would go by quicker but I think most people would rather spend the extra time for the more skillful playing field. I am not speaking for all of the players attending but a majority are MLG players who think that camping and unfair spawns aren't skillful at all. But that is what would happen in a 8 man FFA on any map.

*On Cold Storage there is 6 major spawning areas on the map. (Below Rockets, Main Room, Spiral, Mauler Room, and Flood Room) with 8 people it will be camping and all about spawns.

*On Guardian there is 3 major spawn areas. (Bottom Blue, Bottom Gold, Bottom Green) So even 6 is cutting it close but the way the map runs it gets people to sniper tower or gold opening up room for the other spawn points to be safe.

*On Construct there is 5 major spawn areas. (The Bottom, Mid-Gold, Sword, and Gold side of open and closed street). But the top gold spawns aren't normal open considering all the people coming up gold lift. Bottom is always open but they just come up the purples and killed naded or beat down. Sword is the best place to spawn and you also most likely are right behind someone. But with the extra people the map will be so crazy, random, and not as skillful.

*On The Pit there is 6 major spawn areas. (Both Shotguns, Both Bases, Both bottom snipes) so the majority of people will camp sword watching bottom snipe like in the StrongSide spawn kill video. Or stay green and wait for people to run out of shotgun or go to that bases first BR for a easy kill. So please with 6 people it leaves people in moments were there is no action every once in a while but without that time looking that means their is not any spawn killing going on and players search around the map looking for kills instead of staying in their one spot and watching spawns.

P.S.- Not saying it would take any skill at all I am just saying the skillfulness will be lost due to the number of major spawn points and randomness of camping and actually getting people to spawn right in front of you.

I hope I speak for the majority of players who were to lazy to type all this up but please keep it at 6 man FFA. And everyone feel willing to post your OPINIONS on the situation.

AND KEEP IT CLEAN!!

And if anyone wants to play MLG only I am always in custom games.
Remember to send me a message saying "CGL" or something

I could not agree more.

8 man FFA on Guardian is an entirely different game than 6.. It is way too overcrowded. If you look at the maps in game Guardian and Cold Storage say 2-6 players.

Not sure how 8 would play on the new map but i'll try and test it.. It can be hard to find someone who can host 8 people without problems though.. ( I can only host 6 )

Now that I think about it I bet people wonder why I care so much about FFA settings.. I cant even get past 2nd round. : )