AR's????????

[BMAN]

Can someone please explain to me why there are AR's as secondary weapon???

I would have to say that is not a very good idea

[Guitar Strat]

I agree with the bman. I also dont think hype should be the map. Just because it looks good dosent mean it plays good.. just played it again and hated it.

[CGL Adam]

we've been playing it all week donny. the consensus is it's a good map. i enjoy it. play on it more. the spawns are fixed on it as well, if i recall that was your problem with it. i can't please everyone, remember that. myself and many others have worked very hard testing maps and hype is the best one for many reasons. get the most recent one from my fileshare and run some games with us.

Assault Rifles for FFA, not 2v2:
These events are becoming very competitive, so competitive that kids who don't play MLG as much as most of you stand no chance. It's a fact, if you're good with a BR and you keep a low K/D, you're going to do well. If you're a major, you like default settings, you're going to struggle in the FFA. My decision to implement the AR came after a guest during the FFA map testing suggested we run a game with ARs, and so literally, just to shut him up, we did. And not surprisingly the kills evened out a bit, but the result was still the same: The person who won with just BRs, won again with ARs, but the scores were a bit closer. The game was much more fun too because when you're 2 shots from dying and you're in a close quarter quarrel, with a BR, you tend to freak out and your BR gets shaky, but with an AR, an average player can focus a bit more on his positioning and where he's jumping to and survive 5/10, instead of 3/10 times. REMEMBER: Everyone gets an AR. The AR is a powerful weapon that is best used for close-medium distance battles. Put your MLG pride to the side guys. Money is on the line and you want to win. Sometimes a BR will give you that advantage and sometimes the AR is just the smart thing to use. We ran a final test match last night where Aaron Freeman won and as soon as my buddy puts it up, I'm going to link you all to on youtube and you can see how Hype is played.

Check my fileshare, it's on there under CGL FFA Hype

So, expect BK's to charge and hold the trigger on you. You know what to do: Jump backwards and land every one of your shots on their head. Please be professional about this. The decision is for everyone, not just my MLG heroes and you guys know who you are. You'll be just fine as long as you don't get too proud to pull the AR out as well. In conclusion, the AR is only for the FFA event and its purpose is to level the playing field for those who don't have a partner for the 2v2, who aren't generals and who don't play as much as you guys do but still want to play in a Halo 3 tournament. The better players will always win. Don't show your BR insecurities here and give negative feedback about the AR as a weapon. It's a weapon, a default weapon, no less, and everyone is given one. Feel free to post your opinions, but the decision is made.

[Provolown]

Aug 3, 2008 1:28:06 GMT -5 CGL Adam said:

we've been playing it all week donny. the consensus is it's a good map. i enjoy it. play on it more. the spawns are fixed on it as well, if i recall that was your problem with it. i can't please everyone, remember that. myself and many others have worked very hard testing maps and hype is the best one for many reasons. get the most recent one from my fileshare and run some games with us.

Assault Rifles for FFA, not 2v2:
These events are becoming very competitive, so competitive that kids who don't play MLG as much as most of you stand no chance. It's a fact, if you're good with a BR and you keep a low K/D, you're going to do well. If you're a major, you like default settings, you're going to struggle in the FFA. My decision to implement the AR came after a guest during the FFA map testing suggested we run a game with ARs, and so literally, just to shut him up, we did. And not surprisingly the kills evened out a bit, but the result was still the same: The person who won with just BRs, won again with ARs, but the scores were a bit closer. The game was much more fun too because when you're 2 shots from dying and you're in a close quarter quarrel, with a BR, you tend to freak out and your BR gets shaky, but with an AR, an average player can focus a bit more on his positioning and where he's jumping to and survive 5/10, instead of 3/10 times. REMEMBER: Everyone gets an AR. The AR is a powerful weapon that is best used for close-medium distance battles. Put your MLG pride to the side guys. Money is on the line and you want to win. Sometimes a BR will give you that advantage and sometimes the AR is just the smart thing to use. We ran a final test match last night where Aaron Freeman won and as soon as my buddy puts it up, I'm going to link you all to on youtube and you can see how Hype is played.

Check my fileshare, it's on there under CGL FFA Hype

So, expect BK's to charge and hold the trigger on you. You know what to do: Jump backwards and land every one of your shots on their head. Please be professional about this. The decision is for everyone, not just my MLG heroes and you guys know who you are. You'll be just fine as long as you don't get too proud to pull the AR out as well. In conclusion, the AR is only for the FFA event and its purpose is to level the playing field for those who don't have a partner for the 2v2, who aren't generals and who don't play as much as you guys do but still want to play in a Halo 3 tournament. The better players will always win. Don't show your BR insecurities here and give negative feedback about the AR as a weapon. It's a weapon, a default weapon, no less, and everyone is given one. Feel free to post your opinions, but the decision is made.

Couldn't have said it better myself Adam.

I like the map, I also like that there is just 1 map, I can see why you put the AR's in and I don't think that is it that terrible of an idea, the better player will win AR's or spartan lasers =)

In other words, the AR is to make it look like a close match for the nubs.

And I see FFA not staying in that long anyways so don't get you're panties in a bunch. 4v4 is on the way be patient.

although the map is a little messed up adam, you can actually pick up the camo embedded in the walls.

[Guitar Strat]

I have run plenty of games on the new version and i still think its horrible. Remember it was made only for 4v4. FFA was not in mind when it was made. If you spawn on the bottom, and with the new settings theres no point. Ill send you gameplays with examples of why this isent good for competiting for cash on. I honestly think guardian would be the better map over this. If your online i rather just show you why instead of recording everything.

Not to mention that you can pick up camo on the map. Also grenades hit bad angles on this (they do on many maps), but if your running up to a tower they used walls for floors which can bounce your nades right back at you (happened every now and then when i tried). Also so ledges that catch grenades as your running past them and kill you or get you to one shot.

Idk i could really go on about the map. I know im not the only one who feels this way. I have talked to several people who agree.

FFA just isent for halo 3 =/.

[Guitar Strat]

Why were games not run on sloopdawgs map? I think i joined once and the wrong version was played with 2 people not playing.

[CGL Adam]

first off donny, it wasn't made for a 4v4. it was made for a FFA. if you really think guardian is the best FFA map, then i don't know how to begin this conversation. you cannot pick up camo on hype. i don't know why you think you can, maybe you should explain that. and as for grenade hitting up the ramp. i agree that the angle of the ramp makes the grenade come right back at you, so what i did was put an angled single box floating above the A side of the map. it works perfectly as it does on the other side. if you want to go on about the map, you're more than welcomed to, i encourage it. i'm currently in an empty custom game on this map considering all of your concerns, and to no avail have any of them held up. i think it's a great map with many avenues for players to combat and then retreat if they so choose. this map rewards aggressive and intelligent play. there's not 1 or 2 places that have the most action like guardian. every place on the map is hot.

also, you're not required to play in the FFA so if an AR nullifies your BR and you don't have time to accustom to a new map, and this goes for anyone, not just one person, then the FFA is not for you.

[Guitar Strat]

Oh well im just trying to help by offering my view..

Anyways you can pick up camo.. i picked it up twice in one ffa and everyone else was too.

Im just saying i dont view this as a map worthy of competitive play. Especialy when people are paying money to play. Again just my view.

If its to competitive it should convince people to practice more. People have 0 to no chance to making ANY money or having and chance of doing well at mlg but they continue to go. The same can be for cgl because it keeps getting more competitive. Making it a little bit more noob friendly is just encouraging the rest not to practice.

[CGL Adam]

that's silly if you think because there's ARs in a game that practicing isn't going to help. as for the camo deal, that can be fixed easily. i'm online. let's do it.

[marshmellowz]

i mean i accept the map. AR's arnt that bad. if youre around a wall you can use it well. its not like people are seriously going to use it flat out the whole game. thats rediculous

[nimble]

eh i can deal with it

[sloopdawg]

i agree with guitar we shouldnt have ar's and im not sure if i like hype either.

[BMAN]

i personally cant speak for all and yes i am a MLG fan but i know many other people hold Halo 3 tournaments and not many people I know show up because they use default settings or put swords on the map or place non competitive weapons on the map but also because MLG gaming is the competitive league and most people that like to spend money on gaming tournaments in chance of money in return are the people who play competitive maybe not in all occasions but most. And most people that don't play MLG shouldn't be given a benefit for being worse on a competitive level. Of course I have a bias opinion but in my opinion winning money means competition and I don't see why you would use MLG settings for 2v2 and not the closest thing to MLG settings for FFA. If you join any FFA with pros in H3 they run it the same way we had last tournament. Please dont get mad at the fact I think the AR is a bad idea to through into the mix and I understand you are trying to get more money because you are trying to attract some of the lesser skilled players giving them a chance to win now they can get a AR with a click of the "Y" button but should we really lessen our standards for a less competitive game of FFA or what?
Thanks,
And I have my Flaming Suit on so Flame me away

[CGL Adam]

the truth of the matter is i'm trusting my heart on this and not my wallet bman. you really think putting ARs in the mix is going to boost our numbers, and thus my wallet? not exactly, but it'll keep fans loyal and that's what we want, loyalty from MLG and recreational players. i for one would love to rough up some AR noob with a BR in a FFA competition just to prove that it makes no difference what you have, skill is skill. there is no FFA for MLG. when they have one, we'll be the first to implement most of their settings into our FFA as well. but for now, we have no precedent and i'm left to make decisions for not only MLG players but for the H3 community. we're not talking swords here guys, or smg's, or sentinel beams... we're talking about ARs. the 2v2 is yours, and soon the 4v4 will be yours, you being the MLG player. the FFA doesn't do anything for you in regards to preparing for an MLG tournament, and the fact is, you're either a good FFA player or you're not. if you need to practice day in and day out for the FFA to get used to an AR, you're doing something wrong. if you're practicing to learn the ins-n-outs of a map, that's different. you should all be doing so on hype, which is fixed by the way. you cannot get camo. it's updated on the fileshare. let's have a tourney with the ARs and see how it goes guys. things are looking good for CGL behind the scenes and we can afford to have a drop in numbers for the FFA, but if i were you, i'd be in it to see how it goes. what's going to happen when one of the 4 of you kill Matt/Justin with an AR to break the tie and win the FFA final match? for now, let's be rational about this, and remember it's only for the FFA, it's not ALL of CGL events and we're going to see how it goes. i'm not upset at all by this discussion either. there's no need for you guys to put on your flame suits, lol. this is what we do here. we discuss, we discuss and we discuss. this is our league and we'll find what works best.

[BMAN]

i am going to be honest if i killed Matt or Justin with a AR to win the game and take the money from the player who is clearly more skilled then anyone at the tournament it will just prove that adding a assault rifles means the lesser skilled player have a chance and why shouldn't the more skilled players win. So i might get money but the fact that more skilled player might lose because of the new implement proves the FFA wont be based on skill since i feel it takes very little skill. Once again yes i am a MLG Fan but this is my opinion.